have never sat down so delicate in my
我这辈子从来没有坐下来这么小心翼翼过
life how you feeling about doing an
你对接受采访有什么感觉
interview I'm very
我很
reluctant look to today to talk to
不愿意今天马上和
anybody about
任何人谈论
it straight away I'm thinking no I don't
这件事我想不我
want know to do
不想知道
you I don't trust
你做了什么我不想 相信
anybody where do you think that mistrust
任何人你认为这种不信任从何
comes
而来
from from or
或者
G or geve is number one disaster in my
G或者geve是我
brain how's it feel going through it all
脑海中的头号灾难再次经历这一切感觉如何
again
this is not too bad it's like when you
这不是太糟糕就像当你
get to or geve there it's
到达或者geve那里它
uh gets a little bit
呃有点
emotional how often do you think about
情绪化你多久会想到
what
happened most is I would
发生的事情最多是我
think most
认为最多
is and you do get
是你会感到
upset but then you have to drop it again
不安但然后你必须再次放下它
and carry on otherwise it'll eat
并继续前进否则它会吃掉
you it'll devour
你它会吞噬
you you've only got to do one thing to
你你只需要做的 要想
win this
赢得这场
battle to remain United and determined
战斗，必须保持团结和决心
and if you do that you'll be able to say
，如果你们能做到这一点，你们就能
to your sons and to your daughters with
自豪地对你们的儿子和女儿说，
pride in your
eyes that in
1984 I stood alongside
1984年，我和工会站在一起，
my Trade
union and in doing so was able to be
并因此而 成为
part and parcel of the greatest victory
in Trade union
工会最伟大胜利的一部分
[Applause]
[掌声]
[Music]
[音乐]
history will never negotiate with people
历史永远不会与那些
who use violence to achieve their
用暴力来实现其
objective I must tell you that what
目标的人谈判。我必须告诉你们，
we've got is an attempt to sub stitute
我们所得到的是一种试图用
the rule of the mob for the rule of law
暴民统治取代法治的行为，
and it must
而且它必须
[音乐 ]
not
不是
on
straight
直接
down you new yeah in 1984 I was working
下来你是新的，是的，1984 年，我
at the head office of the
在 n 总部工作，
n as an industrial relations officer
担任工业关系官员，
I had always carried a decent SLR camera
我一直随身携带一台不错的单反相机，
around with me and then very early on uh
然后很早就呃
skar came down or F me up and said look
斯卡下来了或 F 我站起来说，你看，
uh the education offic is getting some
教育局正在安装一些
video cameras and I want you to kind of
摄像机，我希望你把
film everything that you
你
can
能
[\h__\h] see why I wants a new office
看到的一切拍摄下来，为什么我想要一个新办公室，
can't we you like let me filming do you
我们不能让我拍摄你
mind a friend and a fellow employee was
介意吗，一个朋友和一个 同事
also involved
也参与其中，
got it wait a minute I've just locked up
等一下，我刚刚锁定了
the iris got color now much of the
光圈，现在有了颜色，
footage that we shot has been until very
我们拍摄的大部分镜头直到
recently locked away in cupboards not
最近才被锁在柜子里，
even know if it existed
甚至不知道它是否
anymore testing from the main
还存在，我在主讲
Podium I just thought it was a fantastic
台上进行测试 只是认为这是一个
opportunity to record history cuz you
记录历史的绝佳机会，因为你
knew history was being made there's no
了解历史 正在制作中，毫无
doubt about that here we are Camelot C
疑问，我们在这里是卡米洛特C，
off Sky earing me money as ever out with
天空电视台一直在赚钱，
the New Yorks remers
纽约的雷默斯
versus the law with the looks of
与法律的对决，
things scar was very clear that there
事情的伤疤很明显，
was a battle coming there's no Illusions
一场战斗即将到来，对此没有任何幻想，
about that and he wanted that recording
他希望将这段录音
for the for the movement and for the and
用于运动和
for the
union I know it's 1984 Mr scargle but
工会，我知道那是 1984 年，斯卡格尔先生，但
isn't it going a bit too far to be
actually having your own video recording
实际上你自己录制了
of of this news conference you you've
这场新闻发布会的视频，是不是有点太过分了
installed a new system although Arthur
一个新的系统，虽然阿瑟
was very good and charismatic at
在处理媒体问题上非常出色和有魅力，但
handling the Press they didn't always
他们并不总是
reflect what he
反映他
said and I think think he wanted to have
说的话，我认为他希望对
a clean record of what he' said rather
自己说的话有一个干​​净的记录，
than just get misquoted I think it's
而不仅仅是被错误引用，我认为
important that our members see the kind
重要的是我们的 成员们看到了
of circus that you put on each time we
你们每次举行新闻发布会时上演的那种马戏表演，
have a press
conference we became inverted comms the
我们成为了倒置通讯，
video unit won't call that but uh we
视频部门不会这样称呼，但是呃，我们
became
成为了
that you know we were doing conferences
你知道我们在开会，
we were doing the crowds we were doing
我们在人群中，我们在进行
pickets we were doing police uh and
纠察，我们 正在做警察呃
ultimately we finish up at or geve
最终我们结束了或
running right there in and among the
跑在那里和在
Carnage orrie was this great big ugly
屠杀中或里是这个巨大丑陋的
black smoking satanic
黑色吸烟撒旦
mil scler wanted to pick it from day one
军人斯克勒想从第一天就选择它
and the union had ruled against
和工会裁定反对
it his theory was that if we could stop
它他的理论是如果我们可以 停止
coal being moved skunthorp steel plant
煤炭运输斯肯索普钢铁厂
would close and other steel plants would
将关闭，其他钢铁厂也将
close and then his theory was that the
关闭，然后他的理论是
negotiation would resolve the dispute
谈判将解决争端，
that was his that was his his
这是他的，这是他的
premise I'm asking my members to now
前提，我现在要求我的成员来
come and pick it the or grief cing Works
挑选它或悲伤 大量焦化厂的建设
in massive numbers to show that we're
表明我们
not prepared to allow hope to be
不愿意让希望
distributed from this coking Works in an
从焦化厂中散播，
attempt to smash the line of
试图打破
stri I was 26 in
斗争的路线，1984年我26岁，
1984 married with two
结婚生子，有两个
children
孩子，
went into coal mines at
20 uh money
20岁进入煤矿工作，
basically uh for somebody with no
基本上 呃，对于没有
qualifications it would probably best
资格的人来说，这可能是最好的
paid job hard
薪水工作，又脏又脏，
filthy full of
满是
dust no kind of facilities if you could
灰尘，没有任何设施，如果你能
at toilet you dig an hole and you bury
在厕所挖个洞埋起来，
it that's Co mining for
这就是
you
in the early weeks and months of the
在罢工的最初几周和几个月里为你开采
strike every day we'd all go to his own
每天我们都会去他自己的
miners club and discuss what was
矿工俱乐部，讨论发生了什么事，
happening what we can do where shall we
我们能做什么，我们该去哪里，
go what takes
什么是
priority or grieve then became a
优先事项，或者悲伤然后成为一个
priority
优先事项，
we started about 3:00 or 4: in the
我们大约在 3 点或 4 点开始：
morning there were groups of police
早上有几组
officers from all over and we joined a
我们加入了一个
convoy and it must have been in the
车队，车队的人数肯定有
hundreds so we knew something was going
数百人，所以我们知道一定有什么事
on something was
发生了，
up but not all brought here just in case
但是为了以防万一，我们并没有把所有人都带到这里，因为
cuz it's a massive operation to get that
这是一个大规模的行动，需要从全国各地调集这么
many police officers from around the
多警察。
country into that place at one time so
国家曾经进入那个地方，所以
we knew something was something was
我们知道有些事情正在
happening but we didn't know exactly
发生，但我们不知道具体会是
what it was going to be we thought okay
什么，我们想，好吧，
we're going to our g a bit of trouble
我们要去我们的g有点麻烦，
why are we all
为什么我们都要
going what is it you know that we
去，你是什么 知道我们
don't 18th June 984 tell me it's the
不知道 984 年 6 月 18 日告诉我这是
biggie it's about 7:00 few people there
大事现在大约 7 点已经有几个人在那里
already I'm told there's going to be
我听说会有
thousands let's have a look to see what
数千人让我们看看会
happens Martin stayed at my place cuz we
发生什么马丁留在我家因为我们
had to be there early
必须 那
on what was a beautiful morning m is
是一个美丽的早晨，我正在
Milling about chatting to each
闲聊
[Laughter]
[笑声]
other and then you realize there's
然后你意识到
horses up on the right here and there's
这边右边有马，
horses to the left of you you know and
你左边也有马，你知道，
you're in this field in this Valley and
你在这片山谷的田野里，
you think what is going on
你想知道这里发生了什么，
here you got you got three fronts and
你有三个战线，
it's Cavalry on two sides and dogs on
两边是骑兵，另
another
side as you looked at the police line
一边是警犬，你看警戒线，
there was a building upon which cameras
那里有一栋建筑，上面
were
situated these were the major news
安放了摄像机，这些是主要的新闻
outlets and I remember thinking why are
媒体，我记得当时我在想他们为什么
they here what do they know is going
在这里，他们知道发生了什么事
on this was going to be a big
这将是一场大型
demonstration the guys were coming in
示威游行，人们
coaches one after
一个接
another they weren't being
一个地乘坐大巴过来，没有人
stopped I've never seen so many police
拦住他们，我从来没有见过这么多
officers it's interesting for the months
警察，有趣的是，在我们罢工的几个月里，
we've been on strike the length of
police had gone to to stop us traveling
警察已经尽了最大努力 阻止我们前往
[音乐]任何
anywhere
地方，
filming from the air we traced the
从空中拍摄，我们追踪了
pattern of roadblocks that now control
现在控制
every important route into the
进入县城每条重要路线的路障模式，
county how we going
我们如何
on in front of our camera the police
在镜头前进行，警察
took the keys of the vehicle and
拿走了车钥匙，并
formally arrested the driver who had
正式逮捕了司机
refused to turn
拒绝回头
back
we Law and Order is important to a
我们法律和秩序对一个国家很重要，
country but it was also very important
但它也非常重要
to Margaret
致玛格丽特
Thatcher and margarth thater said at a
撒切尔和玛格丽特·塔特
down street meeting very early on in the
在罢工刚开始不久的一次街头会议上说，
strike just after it had started that it
was essential to um stiffen the resolve
必须坚定
of the
police what does stiffen the resolve
警察的决心，坚定决心是什么
mean well I I think uh stiffening uh the
意思，嗯，我认为呃坚定呃
resolve means that you don't want to see
决心意味着你不想看到
people falling down on their duties
人们
through some timidity or lack of
因为胆怯或缺乏
effort most of us who have watch the
努力而未能履行职责，我们大多数
scenes on television have only the
在电视上看过这些场景的人都
highest praise for the police they
对警察给予了最高的赞扬，他们
indeed have kept the right of miners to
确实维护了矿工的权利
go to work open and they've done it
上班时，他们做得
marvelously well if you turn this
非常好，如果你把
vehicle around there'll be no further
车掉头，就不会再有
problems but if you refuse to around
问题了，但如果你拒绝掉头，
you'll be
你就会被
arrested well in my experience they were
逮捕，根据我的经验，他们
never
从来都
courteous you could be stopped and it to
不礼貌，你可能会被拦下来
be um [\h__\h] turn round I'm not letting
嗯他妈的转身我不会让
you through here not let us through no
你通过这里不让我们通过不
I'm not letting you through why so turn
我不会让你通过为什么所以
your vehicle around in
现在把你的车掉头
now but that day hard
但那天硬
Brea completely
布雷亚完全
different
不同
no one was
没有人被
stopped they even put signs up like what
阻止他们甚至放了标志 就像
the AA put up for an antiqu
AA 为古董
sphere so that everybody could find the
球体所做的那样，这样每个人都可以找到
way looking back alarm Bells should have
回首往事，警钟应该
been
ringing
响起。
I we fed up a keep watching nose every
我受够了每天盯着鼻子，
day telling us how many were going back
告诉我们有多少人回去
to
work and then I thought well look how
工作，然后我想，看看
many there is here that are not going
这里有多少人没有
back and they're from all over the
回去，他们 我们来自全国各地，
country
what was the first You' heard of the
第一次听说
plan to go down to orre Mar than Mar to
去 Mar 或 Mar
be soap kitchen there when we were you
做肥皂厨房的计划是什么时候，当时我们
know at in his local club that uh there
在当地的俱乐部，呃，那里
was going to be uh a picky to or grieve
会有一个挑剔的 或悲伤在
there and uh our asked if for interested
那里，呃，我们问是否有兴趣
in going I said yeah I'll
去，我说是的，我会
go I didn't even know where all G where
去，我甚至不知道所有的G在哪里，
all that I know it were a cing plant
我只知道它是一个cing植物，
anyway I set off there expecting to go
无论如何，我出发去那里，希望去
there on
那里
picket and go home but unfortunately it
纠察 然后回家，但不幸的是，事情
didn't happen like
并没有像
[掌声] 那样发生，
that Mar turns up to his credit as a
Mar 成为了
trading leader he's there he's at the
交易领袖，他在那里，他在
front and he's he's actually helping to
前面，他实际上在帮助
kind of you know come on let's pick it
你知道，来吧，让我们把它带
in we're not here for birthday party
进去 我们不是来参加生日聚会的，
let's make sure they know we're
让我们确保他们知道 我们在
here come on close up give him a
这里，近距离给他一个来，
come somebody said that l were coming
有人说我
out so when Loris started to come out it
出来了，所以当 Loris 开始出来时，这
were a
是一个
shove you had to be seen to be trained
推搡，你必须被看到接受过
something because of your
某种训练，因为你
determination to to win a
决心要赢得一场
strike they can push as much as they
打击，他们可以 他们可以尽情地推，
want but when you lock Shields together
但是当你把盾牌锁在一起时，
it's almost impossible to move
them if they get too close think a
如果他们离得太近，几乎不可能移动他们，想想一个
hit there was missiles coming our
击中了导弹，
way half bricks or whatever I was just
半块砖头或什么的，我只是
terrified of being
害怕被
blinded so I just looked down at the
弄瞎，所以我只是看着 在地板上，
floor I thought someone needs to get a
我认为有人需要控制住
grip
here I do remember off to the left
这里，我记得左边的
assistant chief Constable Tony Clement
助理总警司托尼·克莱门特
with a
拿着
megaphone saying something about
扩音器说了一些关于
disperse this is not
驱散的事情，这是不被
approved previous to
批准的，在
that uh
此之前，呃，
you'd have your push Lor's have gone in
你应该推一下洛尔已经进去了
and then everybody had go home and I
然后每个人都回家了，我
suppose police
想
officers they D same right that's it
警察他们是一样的，就是这样，
Lads they've had the push now look
伙计们，他们已经开始行动了，现在他们
they're
going but not on that
要走了，但那天不是
day Frank to your right to your
弗兰克在你的右边，在你的右边
[掌声]，一
right whole chunk of horses came out
大群马来了
certainly for myself and people in the
对我和
media vicinity actually cheered you know
媒体周围的人们来说 欢呼你知道
well thank God you know something's
感谢上帝你知道有些事情
happening it's like what the [\h__\h]
发生了就像
hell are they
他们
doing forgive me language but what you
到底在干什么原谅我的语言但你所
expect
期望的
they were in elmets
他们戴着 elmets
visors
遮阳板
butons
按钮
he short Shields SN squads were coming
他短盾牌 SN 小队
out sing anybody that they
出来唱歌 任何人他们
C on your
C 你
[\h__\h]
他妈的
I did hear somebody shout at that big
我确实听到有人对那个大
bastard there there with white [\h__\h]
混蛋喊叫那里有白色的东西
on I don't know where it pleas come from
我不知道它是从哪里来的
they both grabbed out on me you're under
他们俩都抓住了我你
arrest I says what
被捕了我说
for he says uh throwing stones at uh
为什么 他说，向警察扔石头，
police I said Look At Me Andy clean I
我说，看看我，安迪，我
said I don't
说，我不
know they both
知道，他们两个
frog marching me down street
都把我带到街上，
there I got down to police Cordon where
我到了警戒线，那里
Shields way where they're all
都是
interlocked and uh they bounced me off
相互关联的，然后他们把我弹了出去
at Shields and I
在希尔兹，我
were punched kneed
被拳打脚踢，
kicked I'd got fist fish and knees
我被拳头、鱼和膝盖攻击，
coming at me all over
I more or less walked into into police
我或多或少走进了警察的
line and more or less carried me
防线，或多或少把我抬了
out
出去，
uh sh
呃，
G I did go that's what
G 我确实去过，这就是
happened can't take clock back can
发生的事情，不能让时光倒流，可以
you've actually got to
你实际上必须
win that's what policing's about cuz if
赢，这就是警察的工作，因为如果
the police don't
警察没有
win well then who does get in here and
赢，那么谁会来这里
see what they're
看看他们 你的
doing the tactic is to disable people so
策略是使人失去行动能力，所以
it be the legs or the arms or in extreme
可能是腿或手臂，或者在极端
circumstances of the to also you never
情况下，你也永远不会
aim for the head you never aim for the
瞄准头部，你永远不会瞄准
head with stood filming people were
头部站着拍摄人们
running away because they were getting
因为他们被打了，所以我们在逃跑，
hit and we were wondering whether to
我们不知道要不要
move or not because you think how long
动，因为你想想
you going to stand here filming
你要在这里站多久拍摄
this we were knocked around by people
这个，我们被那些
running P us out of fear it's the fear
跑来跑去的人撞倒了，他们因为害怕而冲我们跑，
on their eyes I remember the cam was not
我记得他们眼中的恐惧 摄像机没有
tired of our
厌倦我们的
hands we tumbled about 6 foot down into
手，我们从大约 6 英尺高的地方跌落到
a ditch the cam took some damage
沟里，摄像机受到了一些损坏，我们
abandoned that filming and we've got
放弃了拍摄，
another spare camera in the
车上还有另一台备用摄像机，
car
yeah
是的
we're going forward short Shields behind
我们正在向前走，短盾牌在
long shields in front long Shields move
长盾牌后面 前长盾移动
forward 10 pages
前进10页，在
stop here and you do it again so what
这里停下来，你再做一次，所以
you're doing is you're corralling them
你正在做的是把他们赶到
to where you want them to be into the
你想要他们去的地方，进入
village I've got out of the field and
村庄，我已经离开了田野，
over the
穿过了
bridge in main concern we getting away
主要关注点的桥，我们离开了
from the old scene and go
从旧场景
home there's an injured
回家，有一个受伤的
Miner uh laid on the
矿工躺在地板上，
floor I knelt down to help him and then
我跪下来帮助他，然后
uh felt a really big thud on the back of
我感到后脑勺传来一声巨响，
my
head fractured
skull dragged up by my
头骨骨折，被我的胳膊拖起来，
arms my head was absolutely
我的头被剧烈的
pounding by the time we got to the
撞击着。 当我们到达
olding area uh the blood had gone down
老区的时候，血已经流下来了，
we bite down me legs and into me
我们咬着我的腿，咬着我的
socks we was a little bit later than
袜子，我们比大多数人晚了一点，
most it must have been 11
应该是11点，
probably that's off marching down that
可能是沿着那
road got to the
条路行进到了
bridge will What's Happening Here
桥上，这里发生了什么事
miners running up the
矿工们跑
hill with place behind him and I thought
上山，身后跟着一个人，我想
and somebody said and I don't know to
，有人说，我到今天都不知道
this day who he was but he said don't
他是谁，但他说
run lad you've done no wrong and I
别跑，小伙子，你没有做错什么，我
turned to see were and
转过身去看，
smack that's when I got cracked across
啪，那是 当我的脸被打裂时
face there's a policeman one on on each
有一个警察，一个
arm holding me arm and one behind me
抓住我的胳膊，另一个在我身后
battering
殴打
me the polican that arrested me he knelt
我，逮捕我的警察跪
down to my feet started giving it like
在我脚边，开始这样殴打我，
this and I could see his eyes bulging
我可以看到他的眼睛
through this dark
透过黑色的
visor bloody hell he's lost
面罩鼓出来，该死的，他疯了，
it and then the inspector comes stood
然后探长站在
behind him and I've looked up and this
他身后，我抬头一看，这个
inspector said pucky in you'll kill him
探长说，你会杀了他的，
well they just stopped put me hands
他们就停下来，把我的手
behind me back and he marched me down
放在我身后，他把我押下
this
这座
hill how long had you been at or or
山，你在那儿待了多久了 或者
like no more than 20 minutes half an
不超过 20 分钟半
hour is
小时是
that
we've just come back get the camera
我们刚刚回来拿相机
we've turned it on at that
我们在那个
crossroads the horses were coming
十字路口打开它马匹
charging over the bridge every night
每天晚上都会冲过桥
again and making fores you never know
并让你永远不知道有
how far they were going to for in it was
多远 他们打算进去，
really quite fearsome by that point
那时真的很可怕，
because you're the police were not going
因为警察不会
to stop and you realize
停下来，你意识到
that there was a a nice scream round
有一场精彩的尖叫声，
called Rock on
叫做“摇滚
Tommy this how severe it was people were
汤米”，这是多么严重，人们都在
buying ice
买
creams when you saw this charge of
冰淇淋 你
police officers on
在
[音乐]上看到了警察的指控
Horseback and the The Ice creen van
骑马和冰淇淋车周围
there was guys around it were trying to
有一些人试图
hide around the van as they were getting
躲在面包车周围，因为他们被
smacked they were trying to buy ice
打了，他们试图买
cream this guy on a car was just getting
冰淇淋，车上的这个家伙刚刚
hammered by the police the charge went
被警察殴打，指控
up the road and into the Alda
上升 我们跑到路上，跑进了阿尔达
Supermarket we ran because they came
超市，因为他们朝我们走来
towards
us
[\h__\h] that was frightening
他妈的，太可怕了，
that was very frightening we jumped over
太可怕了，我们跳过了
a wall and then hidden someone's Garden
一堵墙，然后躲在了某人的花园里，
I
我
think we were walking down where we were
想我们当时正沿着我们所在的地方走
and we saw this these guys literally
，我们看到了这些家伙 真的
carry this guy he was staggering and
把这个家伙抬起来，他摇摇晃晃的，
they were coming to us record
他们来给我们录下
thisy me on business mate first day on F
这段视频，这是我出差的第一天在F
line these days for the lad and that's
线上，这些天为这个小伙子录制的视频，这就是
what he
他
get they say history is written by n
得到的，他们说历史是由胜利者书写的，
Victors all the news cameras were firmly
所有的新闻摄像机都牢牢地
behind police lines and they couldn't
跟在警察身后 他们
see what we saw and what we saw was
看不到我们所看到的，而我们看到的才是
really the bit that mattered we saw the
真正重要的，我们看到的是
minor
次要的
perspective so that this [\h__\h]
视角，所以这个
[\h__\h] I think it's a great pity it
他妈的，我觉得很遗憾它
didn't get a wider
没有得到更广泛的
broadcast the heartson minds of the
传播，没有进入
nation might have been a lot more
全国人民的心灵深处 可能会更多
sympathetic towards the miner's
同情矿工的
cause good afternoon Monday's headlines
事业下午好星期一的头条新闻
there's been the worst violence so far
at the or coking plant near Sheffield
在谢菲尔德附近的焦化厂发生了迄今为止最严重的暴力事件，
the police didn't give any ground and on
警方没有给予任何退让，在
the front line they handed out as much
前线他们给予了
physical punishment as they received
与他们受到的一样多的体罚，
after 2 hours the police were tired of
在 2 小时后 警察厌倦了
being pushed and pelted with house
被推搡和被扔家用
brecks the pickets knew what to expect
马鞭，抗议者知道会发生什么，
they'v been warned it could turn nasty
他们被警告过情况可能会变得很糟糕，
and it did the day was a victory for the
而事实也确实如此，
police horses in the eyes of the Frank
在弗兰克和档案警察的眼里，​​这一天是警察马匹的胜利，
and file policemen they applauded and
他们鼓掌，
rattled their riot shields in tribute as
当马匹返回队伍时，他们摇晃着防暴盾牌以示敬意，
the horses returned through their lines
we acted in a restrained way we tried to
我们采取了克制的态度，我们试图
police it in a traditional British
以传统的英国
policing way that could that didn't have
警察方式进行警务，但那没有起到
effect so in the end yes we had to use
作用，所以最后我们不得不使用
horses we had to use men with small riot
我们有的马匹 为了使用手持小型防暴盾牌的人员，
shields we had to use officers with
我们不得不使用
batons drawn but that was in defense of
手持警棍的警察，但那是为了保护
我的
officers totally distorted absolutely
警官，完全扭曲了
not what happened but
事实，但
nonetheless that's what the press and
尽管如此，这就是新闻界和
the media did look what miners are doing
媒体所做的，看看矿工们现在在做什么
now look look look
看，看，
without I mean they were there they saw
我的意思是他们在场，他们看到了，
it they knew what had
他们知道发生了什么
[音乐]，
happened photographs were taking of
正在拍摄
myself and minor from
我和来自苏格兰的未成年人的照片，
Scotland who also suffered shocking
他也遭受了令人震惊的
injuries he was laid on the cell floor
伤害，他躺在牢房的地板上，
uh in
呃，在
vomit the cell door opened and Gareth
呕吐物中，牢房的门打开了，Gareth
Pierce solicitor came
Pierce 律师
in the sergeant explained to Gareth
进来了，警官向加雷斯·皮尔斯解释说，
Pierce these are the two that's fell
这两个人
down I suppose I still feel sick and
摔倒了，我想我仍然对
horrified at what I saw there I was
我所看到的景象感到恶心和恐惧，我很
frightened because I saw people terribly
害怕，因为我看到人们
injured and I thought two of them it
受了重伤，我认为他们中的两个人
wasn't like a police station with
不像是 警察局里有
individuals who've been arrested in a
两名以
any normal
正常
way there were two who were in a more
方式被捕的人，其中两人处于更
extreme and worrying
极端和令人担忧的
State and one of those was Arthur
状态，其中一人是亚瑟·
crito he he had been Trent and was very
克里托，他曾是特伦特，很
clearly passing in and out of
明显他处于
Consciousness you know this was like
昏迷状态。 这就像
captured prisoners of War but where has
被俘的战俘，但
the war come
战争从何而来，
from we took to rather and police
我们被带到
station and we were charged with
警察局，被指控
unlawful
非法
assembly 10 or 11:00 at night we were
集会，晚上 10 点或 11 点，我们一直
Till
There got to
待到
12:00 what we left in there they marched
12 点，我们留在那里，他们
Us in lined us
我们列队
up and recharged us them for
前进，为我们充电，他们为
Riot
暴乱
暴乱暴乱天哪，
Riot holy crap carries a minimum of
至少要判处
anything from 15 years to
15年有期徒刑
life and you just
，你
think
想想上帝啊，
what in God's world's happening here why
这里到底发生了什么，为什么
are we in this situation and who indeed
我们会处于这种境地，到底是谁
has decided after
决定了，
hours lets up up the charges to
下班后让我们 对
Riot margar thater was certainly
暴动的指控玛格丽特对
appalled by what happened at orrie the
奥里发生的事情感到震惊，她
view was that these are terrible actions
认为这些都是可怕的行为
and uh the force of the law La should be
，应该受到法律的制裁，
brought against them right legislation
should be used she did Express that view
应该使用正确的立法，她确实
in internal discussions but she was
在内部讨论中表达了这种观点 但她被
persuaded that she shouldn't publicly
说服，她不应该公开
say that the right act should be used
说应该使用正确的行为
Clement was asked on other or protests
克莱门特被问及
which had preceded June the 18th why
6 月 18 日之前的其他抗议活动，为什么
they didn't charge Riot and he said we
他们不指控暴动，他说
we couldn't we could only charge
我们不能，我们只能指控
assembly um for Riot you need to show
集会嗯，对于暴乱，你需要
that other people have been
证明其他人
frightened when the police charge they
在警察指控时感到害怕，他们
push them up where there is a civilian
把他们推到有平民
presence of residence that's it you've
居住的地方，就是这样，你
got your extra bit for R it's not
对 R 有额外的了解，这不是
accidental it was a response to the
偶然的，这是对
nonstop urge from the government that
不停歇 敦促政府
there be as many rests as possible but
尽可能多地休息，但
they be for the most serious offenses
这些休息是针对最严重的罪行，
and that you get massive
你会得到
sentences I'd come from my home to go
重刑，我会从家里出来
pick in to be locked up beaten
去接人，被关起来
up and then charged there we a 25e
殴打，然后在那里指控我们25e
sentence didn't go down very well at
判决结果并不好，我
all got a family I
有了一个家庭，我
married it were really
嫁了，这真的很
frightening how has it come to this
可怕，怎么会这样，
these bastards or whatever they are had
这些混蛋或者不管他们是谁，
decided they weren't only just going to
他们决定不只是
put me in jail for life they were going
把我终身监禁，他们还要
to make Janet's life
为了让珍妮特的生活变得
misery I went to the police station and
痛苦，我去了警察局，
I asked this police if I could see Ernie
我问警察我是否可以见厄尼
and he said no I just want to make sure
，他说不行，我只是想确保
he's okay and they said no you
他没事，他们说不，你
can't you just think right that's it you
不能，你只是想，就是这样，
know you're not going to see him for a
你知道吗 很多年都见不到他了，
lot of years it sort of eats her up
这让她心里很难受，
inside because you don't really know
因为你真的不知道会
what to expect I couldn't live without
发生什么，没有
Janet I honestly think I'd be having a
珍妮特，我活不下去，说实话，我想我会喝一杯
Coronation Street
加冕街
cocktail two Packers of par all bit of
鸡尾酒，两个包装工 一杯
milk and cheerio
牛奶和一杯麦片
what we have seen in the past few weeks
我们在 过去几周
is not picketing at
根本不是纠察，
all it is an attempt by force to prevent
而是试图用武力阻止
others from doing what they have a right
其他人做他们有权做的事情
do it is
这是一种
intimidation or grie didn't make
恐吓，或者格里并没有让
Margaret that have second thoughts on
玛格丽特重新考虑
supporting the the police quite the
支持警察
reverse um she felt that this showed the
相反，她觉得这表明了
strains that the police were being put
警察承受的压力
under and therefore all the more willing
，因此更愿意
to ensure they were adequately
确保他们得到充分的
supported I think now they felt they
支持，我认为现在他们觉得他们
could do what they wanted wherever they
可以
wanted in any Villages and there were
在任何村庄做他们想做的事，而且有
some horrendous
一些 可怕的
Stories the police were there to break
故事警察在那里用
the strike physically
暴力阻止罢工
and intimidates people and shows who's
恐吓人们，表明谁是
in
charge we were basically a buw against
负责人，我们基本上是对
the pickets to stop them carrying out
纠察队的打击，阻止他们做
what they wanted to do the harder they
他们想做的事情，他们
fought the harder we fought that was the
反抗得越厉害，我们反抗得也越厉害
big picture to enable people who wanted
大局是让那些想去
to go to work to go to
工作的人去
work you realize then this is the
工作，你意识到这是
orwellian bit this is
奥威尔式的，这是
1984
1984 年的
like summer science fiction film in
夏季科幻电影，
truth but it wasn't this was the heart
但事实并非如此，这是
of the arch C
拱门 C
fields out of the morning like Northern
场的核心 北方的早晨
is is
是
disgusted go look after
厌恶去看
scabs disgusting we woking up at this
结痂恶心我们
time in the morning you're supposed to
早上这个时候醒来你应该
be in this country to keep Law and
在这个国家维护法律和
Order you're causing you to you're
秩序你导致你你
causing it by your very presence
导致它由你的存在
there wasn't it there was a peaceful
没有' t它有一个和平的
pick it at that Pi till they
选择它在那个Pi直到他们
came violence will not succeed for the
来了暴力不会成功
police and the courts will not bow to
警察和法院不会
it if the police and courts are lacking
屈服如果警察和法院缺乏
in the powers necessary to keep order in
维持自由社会秩序所必需的权力
a free
society and necessary to protect the
并且有必要保护
weak against the strong then we shall
弱者免受强者的侵害，那么我们将
introduce measures which give them what
采取措施，给予他们所需的东西，
they
need let there be no doubt where Her
让
Majesty's government stands on this
女王陛下的政府对这个
issue we fire in the 15 of us their
问题的立场毫无疑问，我们在我们 15 个人中开火，他们的
lives basically are depending on what's
生活基本上是 取决于今天
going on in this court
法庭上的情况，
today the prosecution's opening speech
检方的开场白
begins and says members of the jury
开始了，他说陪审团成员们，
these men would have you believe they
这些人会让你相信他们在
were there to peacefully
那里是为了和平
protest these weapons on this table are
抗议，桌子上的这些武器
just a small example of the Arsenal with
只是这些人拥有的武器库的一个小例子。
which these men and their colleagues
他们的同事们
armed themselves with on the 18th of
也武装起来
June armed themselves
6月18日，警方武装了自己，
with is this man
这个人
insane not one charge sheet from all the
疯了吗？在所有95份指控中，没有一份
95 mentions an offensive weapon so where
提到攻击性武器，那么
did this spring
这从何而来？
from the police explained that this was
警方解释说，这是
the worst public order situation
since the second world war and that the
自第二次世界大战以来最糟糕的公共秩序状况，
police had only charged After
警方只有 指控在
experiencing extreme violence from the
经历了矿工们的极端暴力之后，
miners at all grave a rusting officers
所有坟墓都生锈了，警官们
were directed to write our statements a
被指示写我们的陈述，一位
senior South Yorkshire detective comes
资深的南约克郡侦探
in he said right everyone's um I'm going
进来，他说，好吧，大家嗯，我要
to dictate what I want you to have to
口述我想要你们
start your statements this is a request
开始陈述的内容，这是
this is an
这是一项请求，这是一项
instruction this is an
指示，这是一项
order so he then dictated probably a
命令，所以他随后口述了
paragraph two paragraphs and essentially
一段或两段话，本质上，
they were the um components of the
它们是暴乱罪的组成部分，
offense of Riot I remember fear and
我记得对
expectation of violence for
暴力的恐惧和预期，
example and I thought this is really
我认为这
bizarre throughout my police career um I
在我的警察生涯中真的很奇怪 职业嗯，我
always told the
一直说实话，
truth one of the the most shocking
things in all geve for me was the mass
对我来说，最令人震惊的事情之一是
corruption in The Taking of the witness
证人陈述中的大规模腐败，其中
statements one of the dictated lines was
一条口述的台词是，
eventually the pickets were repelled and
最终纠察队被击退并
dispersed but there was still a
驱散，但仍然有
continual barrage of
持续不断的炮火
missiles never encountered that
导弹从未遭遇过
before within minutes
之前，
of virtually every police witness and
几乎每个警察证人都在
ing the witness box um each one had
证人席上作证，每个人都
committed perjury one police witness
犯了伪证罪，一个
after another um just
接一个的警察证人，刚刚
exploded the officer in charge on the
爆炸了当天的负责人
day was assistant chief Constable
是助理总警司克莱
Clemens he was the
门斯，他是
Kingpin senior officers like Clemens
头目，像克莱门斯这样的高级警官
will say we only use the minimum force
会说我们 只能使用最小限度的力量，
that this necessary question is what
这个必要的问题是，
what is the minimum force that will
最小限度的力量是什么，这将
depend on the
取决于
circumstances when Clemens took the
克莱门斯出庭时的情况，他
stand explained if there's going to be a
解释说，如果要
showdown it's going to be on my
摊牌，那就按照我的
terms it was then asked were you
条件，然后被问到 你
concerned when mounted officers charged
担心当骑警
into that
冲进那片
field that a minor could be seriously
田地时，未成年人可能会受
injured to which he replied not in the
重伤，他回答说
slightest they had no right to be
一点也不，他们没有权利在那
there Clem said that it took the
里克莱姆说，之所以
decision to send in the mountain because
决定派人去山区，是因为
the air was black with
空中到处都是
missiles all he's lying through his
导弹 他只是在
teeth I had an obvious card that I could
撒谎，我手里有一张明显的牌，那
play in this one that was the truth
就是真相，
basically before
cross-examining Clement
盘问克莱门特之前，
not only did we know there was a police
我们不仅知道有警察
camera we'd actually seen the film that
摄像头，而且实际上还看过
they'd
shot there was television set up and
拍摄的影片 电视机开着，
videos of the day switched
当天的视频正在播放
on doesn't show sky black with missiles
没有展示被导弹炸黑的天空，
it doesn't show the kind of of violence
没有展示
that they were portraying it does not
他们所描绘的那种暴力，没有
show miners with axes in the hair or
展示头发上插着斧头的矿工或
anything like that none of
类似的东西，
that their own film does not show miners
他们自己的电影没有展示矿工
attacking the
攻击
police it's the other way
警察，情况正好
around it was the police who were the
相反，警察才是
aggressors and extraordinary
侵略者，而且
way right what you're
你们的做法非常正确，
doing
the police treated it as a
警察把它当作一场
war war and criminal prosecution just
战争，刑事起诉根本
don't
不合适，
fit and that's where
they that's where they fell apart it was
他们就是在那里分崩离析的，这是
ality and it was stupidity
正义和愚蠢的
combined the trial lasted 48 days the
结合，审判持续了48天，
longest public disorder trial in British
criminal history there was a
这是英国刑事史上最长的扰乱公共秩序审判，有
catalog of serious not just errors but
大量的严重错误，而且
Fabrications and so that the prosecutor
捏造，所以检察官
quite rightly finally
最终非常正确地
capitulated
投降了，
we haven't been defeated we're not
我们没有 我们没有被打败，我们没有
defeated we've been found not guilty on
被打败，我们被判无罪，罪名是
a trumped up charge everybody knows it
捏造的，大家都知道，
were trumped up right from day one it
从第一天起，这一切都结束了，
was a relief it was
over but I felt to a point like
松了一口气，但我觉得自己就像
somebody that comes from a
一个来自
war and they say how did you go home
战争，他们 说说你受伤后是怎么回家的，
when you were
injured they don't want to talk about it
他们不想谈论这件事，
Baris just told us cameras we want to be
巴里斯只是告诉我们，我们想
outside and i' had enough of that and I
在外面，我受够了，
finished up going to me mom's Caravan
最后我去了我妈妈的
atness where nobody could find me I kept
大篷车，那里没人能找到 我我一直
out at
呆在
Road and
路上，
uh not said anything there there
呃，好几年没说过什么，
for for
years years ago I was in such a
几年前我处于这样的
state
状态，
the I was I went to a doctor our doctor
我去看医生，我们的医生
and explain what were happening I was
解释了发生了什么，我
nasty by everything and she taught me
对一切都很讨厌，她教我
through it taught me through it so the
如何度过难关 教我通过它所以
police have caused
警察造成了
this I said whether a please or who the
这个，我说无论是请还是谁
hell it was I need to come out of it and
他妈的我需要出来，
it's the first time I've ever let it out
这是我第一次让它出来，
and if I get sh of it today then I'll be
如果我得到它今天那么我 '会很
happy Min is B near are physically
高兴敏是B附近身体
strong as
强壮是
wrong as it is to be beaten let's say
错误的，因为它是被殴打让我们说
you can take that what you can't take is
你可以接受你不能接受的是
the aftermath and the charges and how
后果和指控以及如何
the worded how it's
措辞如何
set that for me is the worst thing I
设置对我来说是最糟糕的 我
haven't told my children yet that I've
还没有告诉我的孩子，我曾经
been in prison and my wife didn't tell
坐过牢，而我的妻子也没有告诉
them then when I were in that I was in
他们，当我 我曾经坐过
prison for fear upsetting them but uh
牢，因为害怕惹恼他们，但
I'm sure when they're older and I tell
我相信当他们长大后，我告诉
them that I were in prison I don't think
他们我曾经坐过牢，我不认为
that they'll walk with their heads down
他们会低着头走路，
thinking the dad were a sort of convict
以为爸爸是 比如说，判
a thief or a rapist or whatever I think
小偷或者强奸犯什么的，我觉得
they'll walk with their heads all ey in
他们会
the chest out and say look Arthur cre Lo
昂首阔步地说，看，亚瑟·克雷·罗
is my dad and I'm I'm proud of
是我爸爸，我为他感到骄傲，
him
sir
先生，
terrible
it's
这
difficult but
很难，但是
um what I'm not going to do is break
嗯 我不会做的是，
down while I'm on
当我在听音乐的时候，会破坏
音乐中还有
there were other forces at play who
其他力量在起作用，他们
would seize on people for their own
会抓住人们来为自己的
political Advantage take David Hart was
政治优势，大卫·哈特是
a self-promoting Scarlet Pimpernel kind
一个自我推销的红花侠
of figure
当然，
the conservative party really thought
保守党真的认为
that the solution to the minor strike
解决小规模罢工的办法
was going to be a
deal David saw that there was an
达成协议。戴维认为还有
alternative the miners should be
另一种选择，矿工应该被
defeated
击败